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    Should lineages be ranked?

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    Kirahunter
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    Post by Kirahunter 2nd March 2014, 2:07 pm

    Let's face it Gold Rush is no where near as powerful as Monkey King's Descent. It's common sense.

    But tell me, what more did the person who rolled Monkey King's Descent to deserve it over the person who rolled Gold Rush? That's right nothing.

    I like lineages and they are a super cool system, but I think there is room for improvement.

    What I want:
    Lineages to be sorted into weak, strong, and legendary like weapons and armor. Then three separate lineage dice are created, one for weak, one for strong and one for legendary. Everyone gets a weak roll for free, and later on they can buy a strong or legendary roll to replace their weak one.

    Why would we do this?:
    Because some lineages give some people incredible powers and other people lame ones, this allows people to actually earn their incredible powers and presents a way for people to get something better then their lame ones.

    Why is this important:
    Because right now everyone gets a free lineage of random power. This is pretty much like having a "weapon dice" that every player can roll once to get a free weapon, but they have no control of what the weapon is like and the weapons are all of various ranks. That is obviously not fair. It all comes down to when giving out handouts, all the handouts should be equal. When buying a product, all the product of the same price should be equal.

    What about the people who already have lineages that would be considered strong or legendary should they just lose their lineage and have to get a weak one?:
    I think they should be offered the choice: either pay the cost of the roll to keep it or have to roll for a weak one. In the case they got to choose a lineage for winning a contest or donated for a custom lineages they should get to keep their lineages without paying anything.  Because they actually earned that.

    But that is just my opinion of how it should be handled.

    Thanks for reading and considering


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    Post by Chaotic Rumble 2nd March 2014, 2:32 pm

    You're completely correct.

    Some lineages are unfairly strong, whilst others are unfairly useless. I like this idea, so I'll support it.


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    Post by Guest 2nd March 2014, 2:33 pm

    I'm liking this idea. My lineages are actually pretty good, but there are many people here with fairly poor lineages, some of which actually get worse as you rank up (gold rush being a very good aforementioned example)


    I vote 'Go Die' as a joke, but this is a really good idea.


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    Post by RyoKnetegawa 2nd March 2014, 2:35 pm

    Very creative, and inventive. I think this is a good idea.


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    Post by Kirahunter 2nd March 2014, 3:00 pm

    Please if you vote "No I hate you go die" please post here to specify if you honestly meant that or were joking. Any votes for that option without a post here will be assumed are jokes.


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    Post by Indiana Jones 2nd March 2014, 3:48 pm

    Really do like this, but i don't want to lose my lineage, kinda like to turn into a demon. But still gonna support this.


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    Post by ~ Lady of Midnight ~ 2nd March 2014, 11:10 pm

    I support this as well, it's quite unfair to some members to have lineages that require this or that or barely help when in combat, while others have lineages that allow them to cheat death (like mine) or skyrocket to S or H-Rank strength.


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    Eris
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    Post by Eris 3rd March 2014, 12:26 am

    This doesn't solve the whole main issue of people getting stuck with lineages that rape their character concept.  

    What's more,  it puts even more power in the hands of donations,  because the only reliable source of jewels are donations.    Those that randomly show up one day will now not only get H-rank,  an artifact/handful of artifacts and all the shinies- but they'd also get that sexy lineage you wish you could have but couldn't because you're stuck trying to live off around 1,000 jewels per 10-30 posts of job effort.



    I'd prefer the lineage system remain as it is than turn to that,  although it is a step in the right direction,  it's also skewing itself towards Mordor.  


    My preferred method of handling the Lineage System would still be random,   but lineages would be grouped into related spheres so instead of rolling for a specific lineage,  you roll to land a cluster and can choose from the cluster of lineages such as rolling "Gold" or "Legendary" or "XXX", whatever.  Clusters would be sorted yes, by effectiveness,  but also by context.  So the lineages would resemble one another but would be different enough you'd hopefully get a lineage decent for your character but primarily you could easily avoid lineages that would play hop scotch on the corpse of what was your character concept.


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    Post by Haru-senpai 3rd March 2014, 12:40 am

    I like the idea of rolling into a certain 'Family' or 'Branch', making only a certain selection; say 10. Lineages available to you upon character creation. As Siren has mentioned.


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    Post by Grizzly 3rd March 2014, 5:10 am

    I definitely support this @____@ Props to you for being the person who finally does this!

    I actually agree with the exact thing Kira said, in respect to dealing with the efectiveness of Lineages.

    But Siren's point of being automatically forced into a certain character background stands as well. Some people don't like that aspect, and that is very much a valid dislike. Because not everyone wants to be the descendant of some random existence someone else made up.

    Also, I have an inherent problem with only being able to roll lineages AFTER Character Creation. I mean, come on. If you're forcing a history concept upon me, at least make me be able to choose it BEFORE I create my unique character.


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