EXP is to dang low~

So this is just bringing up an issue that I've been listening to for awhile. The gap between C to B is just really to damn high. 50 exp per C-rank job is a little insane for having to get up there. After the math, it comes to about 24 jobs if you're solo'ing.

Now before you say "Well if you do it with other people it'll be easier" Well, the problem with that is if you have an irregular schedule and you're rarely on when other people are around to talk, then you can't really set up when they're going to do them, so you'd end up going solo alot. This mean that type of person is going to end up solo'ing and thats a long annoying grind that way.

Lets move onto the issue for dark mages, they have a similar issue. There aren't many dark mages that are around at times willing to do jobs. 90% of the dark mages I'VE seen, are low rank because they can't make the grind due to their numbers. The last exam for a C > B dark mage was thorn FOUR months ago. I know she'd been working on that for awhile.

As such I feel that C-rank exp should be increased from 50 exp to 80-100 range.

Another thing, a bit of a pet peev. Either change the requirements of SS jobs saying they have to be S-rank to be done, or let A-ranks do them like all of them do. SS becoming an actual rank kinda messed some things up. Example

I have to agree there honestly. Understandably, the idea of pushing others together to rp to have some socializing and not have a bunch of powergaming numbskulls is a rather smart plan, it also pushes others away from being able to develop a character in a way that makes them interested in keeping their characters. As Kiku pointed out about dark mages for example, evil people tend to work alone and won't really socialize but to "gloat" their strength of commit evil deeds to draw attention (which god knows we really do need them, not sarcastically.)

For an example of an inability to rank up and progress a characters story and overall growth, I wanna use myself for an example. Take a note of how long this account alone has been made, as to hoe long I've actually been on the site overall (looking at my other accounts activation date). Join date: 2015-07-14 <--- And then when you look at my ACTUAL exp amount, some may wonder "well you could easily rank up if you partnered up and did B ranks or spammed C ranks" ...Well you'd be wrong. Even with the addition of doing missions via word count instead of post number and minimum count per post, you're talking 8K PER MISSION at least. That over 24 missions is 192 THOUSAND words.

I'm not saying you have to lower requirements of the ranks themselves, but when you have D to C, which is 5 measly missions at 25 a piece, there's far too much of a gap to be had when it comes to being able to go from C to B. At least look into the possibility of being able to adjust C rank mission exp, and possibly even a small additional bonus for dark guilds to kinda inspire people to wanna be a dark mage. Light mages need some competition, ya know. ;)

Much regards, The Groping Bunny Queen

I'm against altering the EXP for ranking up. The point of them being high is so you take on harder, higher ranking jobs so you can truly work your magic harder, and thus develop your magical abilities. D-C is 6 because D Rank is (most likely) because having to do 20 - 24 D Rank Jobs... running after 20 cats/dogs, or clean 20 houses, or train 20 sets of recruits, or chase chickens 20 times, or some combination of stupid jobs would suck more than C Rank jobs. Can you seriously imagine only getting ~6 or 7 XP per job? Can you feel how underwhelming that would be, to get 6 or 7 XP for completing an entire mission?

Here is a scale of ranking up, you'll see the C -> B transition is slightly less painful than the other non-D Rank values.

D -> C = 6 Jobs
C -> B = 24 Jobs
B -> A = 30 Jobs
A -> S = 30 Jobs
S -> SS = 44 Jobs (I think)

These values are for doing jobs of that rank, not the one above. And I'll have you know, these ranks are much easier to get than they used to be. As for the SS Rank jobs; SS is an official rank that can be claimed now. According to the rules, players can only do jobs 1 rank above them. So A Ranks cannot do SS Rank jobs since SS is 2 ranks above them. We'll look through the SS Rank jobs and find ones with A Rank requirement and alter it to S Rank to aid in removing this complication, and I thank you for the link vexel.


Now, as for job partners who can post regularly and won't care for you having a weird schedule; I'm online almost daily and post at a decent rate. I don't care for how long it takes you to post, I've been running a job waiting on Allison for over a month and a half and still haven't quit. Before that, I waited 2 months for --Cookie__. I'm not a lazy poster, I don't god-mod, and I don't make my character "The One" in the thread. I'm pretty lax on what my partners do, so long as the story makes sense and I don't do all the work.

Oh, almost forgot... if you're questioning the "quality" of this character (Niyol)... When weighed against current Dark Mages, Niyol is dark enough. Thorn has tried recruiting me because I'm CS #1... and there may have been a baby skinning, mother killing, dad killing, a few massacres... nothing major.

All my replies to your post will be in this color, just for an advance notice.

Niyol wrote:I'm against altering the EXP for ranking up. The point of them being high is so you take on harder, higher ranking jobs so you can truly work your magic harder, and thus develop your magical abilities. D-C is 6 because D Rank is (most likely) because having to do 20 - 24 D Rank Jobs... running after 20 cats/dogs, or clean 20 houses, or train 20 sets of recruits, or chase chickens 20 times, or some combination of stupid jobs would suck more than C Rank jobs. Can you seriously imagine only getting ~6 or 7 XP per job? Can you feel how underwhelming that would be, to get 6 or 7 XP for completing an entire mission?

I'm not against taking higher, stronger missions. Hell I love the challenge to do so! HOWEVER, what I am against is the fact that to do so, you need to have a partner, and some people do not have much patience to wait on others nor do they want to be carried along other missions by those who are at least a rank above the mission you wanted to do.If maybe at least that requirement of two mages of the lower rank (which in some standards does make sense on why it was done in that way) were to be removed or changed to a certain max amount, than perhaps changing the requirement of exp given wouldn't be such a big deal. Even then, that in it of itself can be stopped from being aloud at whatever rank you felt it to be necessary, which from your post meant around A rank or S rank.

Here is a scale of ranking up, you'll see the C -> B transition is slightly less painful than the other non-D Rank values.

D -> C = 6 Jobs
C -> B = 24 Jobs
B -> A = 30 Jobs
A -> S = 30 Jobs
S -> SS = 44 Jobs (I think)

These values are for doing jobs of that rank, not the one above. And I'll have you know, these ranks are much easier to get than they used to be. As for the SS Rank jobs; SS is an official rank that can be claimed now. According to the rules, players can only do jobs 1 rank above them. So A Ranks cannot do SS Rank jobs since SS is 2 ranks above them. We'll look through the SS Rank jobs and find ones with A Rank requirement and alter it to S Rank to aid in removing this complication, and I thank you for the link vexel.

Now, in that chart you made there, I think you overlooked something very vital here. I'm looking at the big picture honestly, and I don't think you may have actually thoroughly looked into things... but you see what 24 - 6 is? 18. Eighteen mission difference to go from C to B as compared to D to C. I don't know about you, but that's both a VERY significant difference, as well as it is the highest difference in gap between any other rank at all. I mean really. The S to SS is only 14 more missions than to go up from it's previous rank. THAT is understandable. And even if the number was wrong there as you weren't sure, hell it's a good number to start with honestly so for the sake of the argument, we'll leave it as that.


Now, as for job partners who can post regularly and won't care for you having a weird schedule; I'm online almost daily and post at a decent rate. I don't care for how long it takes you to post, I've been running a job waiting on Allison for over a month and a half and still haven't quit. Before that, I waited 2 months for --Cookie__. I'm not a lazy poster, I don't god-mod, and I don't make my character "The One" in the thread. I'm pretty lax on what my partners do, so long as the story makes sense and I don't do all the work.

This is a sensitive area for a lot of people, as cancelling jobs because of it is unfortunately more common than it needs to be. Shit, even I'm guilty of metaphorically f*cking someone up because I hadn't posted for them because of my rl issues or certain priorities I may have had to procure first. Thankfully, there are people that (like yourself) have the patience of a saint in waiting and understand things. That's not to say that just because someone were to back out of a mission that say wouldn't be completable because it's requirements wouldn't be met on top of their time that was wasted on top of that really cuts deep into a persons motivation to keep their character. That there can lead to a possible member quitting if it happens too many times, or even just one or twice. Now if the requirements were altered to allow members that are a rank lower than the mission to take them solo, they could then be able to build stories with others to enhance their characters stories, rather than rp with someone because they have to do missions above their rank simply to float to the next rank and do it all over again.

Note: I really do not wish to turn this into a flame war of any kind. There are points on both sides being made and granted some are better, there still comes to the idea of what can be done to appease both sides. Perhaps maybe a system like the secondary magic training? Solo is a requirement all it's own, as compared to with a partner? Maybe just 50-100 words more per post for each rank (adding 50-100 to the missions, not 50 to C ranks, 100 to B, 150-200 to A, etc. in case you may get mixed up in the wording.)

Surely there's a way this can be rationalized before it becomes this big nuclear waste plant of hazardous, toxic, words typed onto a forum board. Anyway, I'll leave this to staff to go on and decide, I've noted and suggested everything I can possibly think of at this point to try and help people wanna expand their imaginations beyond what they think they can do without involving others without the want rather than the need. Thank you, and seeing what time it is for me, good night! ^-^

You're actually quite right Sasha, I did forget that stuff when I did the rank chart... let me fix it.


0EXP D -> C = 6
150EXP C - B = 21
1,200EXP B -> A = 25.2 (More specifically, 25 B Ranks + 1 C Rank)
7,500 EXP A -> S = 30
45,000EXP S -> SS = 36.8 (may as well be 37 since the remaining XP is upwards of 5k)


This scale shows each rank after the D-> C rank has a steady incline in difficult of progression, which is actually quite normal for games. Also again, the job requirements for each are if you're a solo player.

As for your suggestion on removing the need for a second player on higher ranking jobs, I'll bring it up to the dev team to see if we might be able to do that. I give no guarentee for success, but you have my word I will bring up the concept.


Also I assure you Sasha, if this becomes the grounds of a flame war I would happily separate the nasty post, and archive it. I'll be avoiding locking this thread since it started as a well presented, and commonly spoken about topic that included nothing against the rules in the beginning.

I'll be that guy in the room, and say it's less a problem of EXP being too low, or missions taking too long, but possibly the fact that some people purchased their ranks before EXP was taken away within, the VIP shop. Now like anything I could be wrong on this, but when people view that they have to climb their way up the ranks struggling to get EXP and missions done, but hopefully growing their character and having a good time, everything would normally be fine, but there is a bit of a gap, which thankfully due to some recent events and raffles has mitigated it somewhat, but the gap is there.

Most people are (or should try to be) just satisfied to RP their character regardless of the power level, for instance, I don't care what "rank" you are my character will still tell you how much you suck, or how much better they are than you, that's just their personality and God bless anyone that either hates them or loves them for it, it's all for fun after all. Rank doesn't and shouldn't matter in character, the problem is out of character and the interaction between members. Really how many people would care if others weren't spending every moment talking about how "super awesome" their techniques were and such. Most people that talk like this too, are complete garbage at PvP, like legit garbage, no disrespect but all the ones who view themselves at good, normally die first post to a strong string of timed techniques. I've seen it on countless forums, and this one is no different, and it's mostly this level of toxicity in my opinion, that causes the rift and desire to rank up over character progression. God bless those that ignore it, and just have fun, they are some of the best members to RP with, regardless of their "rank". There's a reason that many "choose" who they Rp with rather than just leave topics open...

So where does leave people? Well on a more positive note... there used to be limiters, which really didn't do anything but they gave a method to gain higher XP and such, however, they are hard to implement, instead maybe another system like it, if anything it seems it's the lower ranking jobs, because most can't afford lacrima milk to increase their EXP or have fully formed functioning teams to grant themselves a bit of an edge both through interaction and EXP gain. perhaps something for the lower ranks that aren't so fortunate or something, nothing huge but a nice small boost to them. No clue what it would really be, but something that encourages (not imbalances) might be a good direction at least in terms of people not feeling discouraged about anything and feeling that they can do it once they hit the real deal, which in my opinion starts at B rank, as it takes some effort, but also provides challenging and in my opinion, more enjoyable jobs (except cosplay cafe and model, I love those ones).

Remember all my opinion.

The fact is exp has been changed on site before. The C to B rank thing has never been raised as an issue before. There are multiple ways to get extra exp.

As for 'oh i want to solo everything' then my honest question is why are you on a community based site based on a friendship powered anime/manga? Not being snippy, but the whole point of being on these sorts of sites is to communicate with others and grow as characters.

Also why is everyone so obsessed with ranking up? Yes it gives you more power and to some it makes you seem like more of a badass, but it just seems odd. I think the reason why everyone is obsessed with ranking up is how limiting each rank is. You can only have so much of this, so much of that, do so much damage. I'd say what needs fixing is ranks themselves and not the exp to get them.

WE need more ways to get exp other than jobs(and no not socials) and more way to get spell slots/weapons etc without having to buy them with jewels. How about we allow people to 'train' to get spell slots and reward exp for that? We should also award exp for secondary training.